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Flying a 180 with the door off.
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Thank you very much.

Jim Hill
N2393C 
54’ 180

On Nov 30, 2018, at 3:16 AM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

yes, I can help you out ,I can make a copy of it that works and send it to you, if nothing else by mail ,but I’ll try to email first!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2018, at 1:53 AM, Jim Hill (skywagon180@gmail.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

Hi Jon,

Sometime back you sent the copy of the STC for a 180 with the doors OFF.  I have attempted as best I can, to enlarge it, but it is still unreadable.  Is there any chance that you could reproduce it as a .pdf file that is readable and can be printed to 8.5/11” full size?  I would like to add this to my aircraft, but in its present form, it isn’t usable.

Thank you in advance,
Jim Hill
907-360-8646




On Mar 31, 2017, at 1:22 PM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

couldn't put that picture in had to send it separate
image1.JPG
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:30 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

Thank you


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:27 AM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I may be able to help I think I have that on mine when I get home I'll check and get back to you
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 12:24 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
> At some point I may want to fly with a door off on my 55 180. Camera mission, occasional skydive for a friend, etc.
>
> I have tried to track down STC SA168SW that allows door off operations for parachute jumping. The address of the owner of the STC is not a good address, I have contacted the owner listed on the STC by mail. The letter was returned with an updated address for the owner. I sent another letter to the updated address provided by the post office and the letter was returned with no additional information. I have talked to the FAA office that issued the STC. (LAX office) They said sorry can't help. Which brings up an other question what happens to STC's like this ?
>
> Back to the original question, does anyone have any suggestions on how to operate a 180 with a door off.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
>
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yes, I can help you out ,I can make a copy of it that works and send it to you, if nothing else by mail ,but I’ll try to email first!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2018, at 1:53 AM, Jim Hill (skywagon180@gmail.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

Hi Jon,

Sometime back you sent the copy of the STC for a 180 with the doors OFF.  I have attempted as best I can, to enlarge it, but it is still unreadable.  Is there any chance that you could reproduce it as a .pdf file that is readable and can be printed to 8.5/11” full size?  I would like to add this to my aircraft, but in its present form, it isn’t usable.

Thank you in advance,
Jim Hill
907-360-8646




On Mar 31, 2017, at 1:22 PM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

couldn't put that picture in had to send it separate
image1.JPG
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:30 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

Thank you


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:27 AM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I may be able to help I think I have that on mine when I get home I'll check and get back to you
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 12:24 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
> At some point I may want to fly with a door off on my 55 180. Camera mission, occasional skydive for a friend, etc.
>
> I have tried to track down STC SA168SW that allows door off operations for parachute jumping. The address of the owner of the STC is not a good address, I have contacted the owner listed on the STC by mail. The letter was returned with an updated address for the owner. I sent another letter to the updated address provided by the post office and the letter was returned with no additional information. I have talked to the FAA office that issued the STC. (LAX office) They said sorry can't help. Which brings up an other question what happens to STC's like this ?
>
> Back to the original question, does anyone have any suggestions on how to operate a 180 with a door off.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<<
> You have received this message as a member of: International 180/185 Club, Inc
> Change preferences (including opt-out): https://SkywagonsClub.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=13&club_id=669928
>
>
>

 
Jim,  

Add me to your list of interested people. I have been doing this for years but it would be nice to see the paperwork. 

Paul Brown

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2018, at 23:53, Jim Hill (skywagon180@gmail.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

Hi Jon,

Sometime back you sent the copy of the STC for a 180 with the doors OFF.  I have attempted as best I can, to enlarge it, but it is still unreadable.  Is there any chance that you could reproduce it as a .pdf file that is readable and can be printed to 8.5/11” full size?  I would like to add this to my aircraft, but in its present form, it isn’t usable.

Thank you in advance,
Jim Hill
907-360-8646




On Mar 31, 2017, at 1:22 PM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

couldn't put that picture in had to send it separate
image1.JPG
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:30 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

Thank you


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:27 AM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I may be able to help I think I have that on mine when I get home I'll check and get back to you
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 12:24 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
> At some point I may want to fly with a door off on my 55 180. Camera mission, occasional skydive for a friend, etc.
>
> I have tried to track down STC SA168SW that allows door off operations for parachute jumping. The address of the owner of the STC is not a good address, I have contacted the owner listed on the STC by mail. The letter was returned with an updated address for the owner. I sent another letter to the updated address provided by the post office and the letter was returned with no additional information. I have talked to the FAA office that issued the STC. (LAX office) They said sorry can't help. Which brings up an other question what happens to STC's like this ?
>
> Back to the original question, does anyone have any suggestions on how to operate a 180 with a door off.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<<
> You have received this message as a member of: International 180/185 Club, Inc
> Change preferences (including opt-out): https://SkywagonsClub.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=13&club_id=669928
>
>
>

 
Hi Jon,

Sometime back you sent the copy of the STC for a 180 with the doors OFF.  I have attempted as best I can, to enlarge it, but it is still unreadable.  Is there any chance that you could reproduce it as a .pdf file that is readable and can be printed to 8.5/11” full size?  I would like to add this to my aircraft, but in its present form, it isn’t usable.

Thank you in advance,
Jim Hill
907-360-8646




On Mar 31, 2017, at 1:22 PM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

couldn't put that picture in had to send it separate
image1.JPG
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:30 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

Thank you


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:27 AM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I may be able to help I think I have that on mine when I get home I'll check and get back to you
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 12:24 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
> At some point I may want to fly with a door off on my 55 180. Camera mission, occasional skydive for a friend, etc.
>
> I have tried to track down STC SA168SW that allows door off operations for parachute jumping. The address of the owner of the STC is not a good address, I have contacted the owner listed on the STC by mail. The letter was returned with an updated address for the owner. I sent another letter to the updated address provided by the post office and the letter was returned with no additional information. I have talked to the FAA office that issued the STC. (LAX office) They said sorry can't help. Which brings up an other question what happens to STC's like this ?
>
> Back to the original question, does anyone have any suggestions on how to operate a 180 with a door off.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<<
> You have received this message as a member of: International 180/185 Club, Inc
> Change preferences (including opt-out): https://SkywagonsClub.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=13&club_id=669928
>
>
>

 
Sharpie,

I'm sorry it has taken so long to get back to you.  I am still trying to track down the original STC SA 168SW.  However one of the members sent me SA1-188 that looks like it will work with the right door off for skydiving operations.  I will attach a PDF of the info I received.

Dave
55 180
 
Hello Dave,
What is the STC number for this?
 
This might be a thought for an autopilot for the Cessna 180/185 line of aircraft.  It should be simple to obtain necessary FAA Field Approval needed to use it in our aircraft.

Jim Hill
N2393C
54’ 180



STC Group Earns Pioneering Autopilot Approval


Trio Autopilot Headed For Light GA Airplanes

The FAA has awarded an STC to the STC Group for the installation kit for the non-TSO’d Trio Pro Pilot digital autopilot into dozens of models of Cessna 172s and 182s, with more models to follow soon. The full-featured autopilot promises to bring a robust set of features to the legacy fleet at a price many thought not possible even a year ago.

“Cooperation from the FAA and support from industry organizations such as AOPA and EAA has propelled this project at speeds most people never anticipated,” said STC Group Founder and CEO Paul Odum. “We received the STC in only five months and expect to have Parts Manufacturing Authority in time to deliver the autopilot itself at EAA AirVenture this summer.”

Odum started on the project to certify the Experimental autopilot after becoming frustrated with efforts to install a traditional aftermarket autopilot in his 1975 Cessna 182P. The typical analog autopilots were expensive to buy and install and not very sophisticated. Odum wanted the capabilities and price points he’d seen used safely in Experimental airplanes. To make that leap, the Odum linked up with a team of engineers with experience at Cessna and Northrup as well as other aviation professionals to form the STC Group, a virtual company.

“Trio’s Pro Pilot autopilot has a proven record of reliability in the Experimental and warbird fleets. As such, it is an excellent off-the-shelf choice to retrofit into the legacy GA fleet based on its record of safety and reliability,” said Odum. The company’s STC covers most variants of the Cessna 172 and 182 from the earliest models through the 2006 models. STCs for additional makes and models will be developed soon.
Trio was established in 2000 and has delivered some 3,000 autopilots around the world. The two-axis Pro Pilot model utilizes roll and auto-trim pitch servos to provide precise horizontal and vertical navigation capabilities. Altitude control includes climb and descent functions with altitude pre-select. Vertical navigation can be flown at pilot-selected speeds.

When connected to a WAAS-enabled GPS, Pro Pilot can fly the lateral and vertical portions of RNAV approaches and other procedures. The ability to fly localizer, back course, and glideslope will be added in coming months. The digital autopilot also provides flight envelope protection, nudging the flight controls away from an overspeed or stall situation. An “automatic 180-degree turn” feature can guide VFR pilots out of inadvertent weather encounters—a feature that has been credited with saving lives in Experimental aircraft.  Chuck Busch, Trio Avionics president and designer of the Pro Pilot, said, “As Experimental aircraft builders, our primary design goal has always been safety of flight.  We are especially proud that our Pro Pilot incorporates many safety features that are unique in the industry.”

The STC Group’s efforts have benefited from the FAA’s willingness to reconsider its traditional certification methods. Rather than a one-size-fits-all approach to certification, the FAA is taking a risk-based approach to approving such projects, a move that will benefit many companies going forward, according to Odum. The STC Group is a participant in an FAA test program to evaluate a risk-based PMA process.

“We are grateful for the FAA’s willingness to take a practical approach to such approvals,” Odum said. “The change will lead to our ability to improve the safety of the legacy fleet through better, more capable autopilots and it will open the door for others to take advantage of this new process for all sorts of innovative gear and equipment.”

The STC Group is selling the Pro Pilot installation kits, including the STC and drawings, for $2,000. The autopilot itself, including PMA and documentation, will be available this summer for about $5,000. Addition of the LOC/BC/GS module available later will be less than $500.

Trio Avionics designs and manufactures autopilot products engineered for outstanding performance, while keeping them attractively priced for the Certified, Experimental, LSA and Warbird aircraft market.

(Source: The STC Group news release. Image from Trio Avionics website)

FMI: www.trioavionics.com



 
Jon,

Could you make a copy of the paperwork and send a copy in the mail to me.
I can't seem to make the picture larger so I can read it.

Call or text and I will send you my address

Thank you

Dave
208-724-8660



> On Mar 31, 2017, at 2:22 PM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> couldn't put that picture in had to send it separate
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:30 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you
>
>
>> On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:27 AM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I may be able to help I think I have that on mine when I get home I'll check and get back to you
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Mar 21, 2017, at 12:24 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>>
>> At some point I may want to fly with a door off on my 55 180. Camera mission, occasional skydive for a friend, etc.
>>
>> I have tried to track down STC SA168SW that allows door off operations for parachute jumping. The address of the owner of the STC is not a good address, I have contacted the owner listed on the STC by mail. The letter was returned with an updated address for the owner. I sent another letter to the updated address provided by the post office and the letter was returned with no additional information. I have talked to the FAA office that issued the STC. (LAX office) They said sorry can't help. Which brings up an other question what happens to STC's like this ?
>>
>> Back to the original question, does anyone have any suggestions on how to operate a 180 with a door off.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<<
>> You have received this message as a member of: International 180/185 Club, Inc
>> Change preferences (including opt-out): https://SkywagonsClub.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=13&club_id=669928
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<<
> You have received this message as a member of: International 180/185 Club, Inc
> Change preferences (including opt-out): https://SkywagonsClub.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=13&club_id=669928
>
>
>
 
Jon,

Thank you very much!!

Dave
 
couldn't put that picture in had to send it separate
image1.JPG
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:30 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

Thank you


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:27 AM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I may be able to help I think I have that on mine when I get home I'll check and get back to you
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 12:24 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
> At some point I may want to fly with a door off on my 55 180. Camera mission, occasional skydive for a friend, etc.
>
> I have tried to track down STC SA168SW that allows door off operations for parachute jumping. The address of the owner of the STC is not a good address, I have contacted the owner listed on the STC by mail. The letter was returned with an updated address for the owner. I sent another letter to the updated address provided by the post office and the letter was returned with no additional information. I have talked to the FAA office that issued the STC. (LAX office) They said sorry can't help. Which brings up an other question what happens to STC's like this ?
>
> Back to the original question, does anyone have any suggestions on how to operate a 180 with a door off.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<<
> You have received this message as a member of: International 180/185 Club, Inc
> Change preferences (including opt-out): https://SkywagonsClub.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=13&club_id=669928
>
>
>
 
here's the STC for door removal on Cessna 170 and 180
it's not N numbered or serial numbered so you can use it just give it to your mechanic he can write it up

image1.JPG





On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:30 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

Thank you


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:27 AM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I may be able to help I think I have that on mine when I get home I'll check and get back to you
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 12:24 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
> At some point I may want to fly with a door off on my 55 180. Camera mission, occasional skydive for a friend, etc.
>
> I have tried to track down STC SA168SW that allows door off operations for parachute jumping. The address of the owner of the STC is not a good address, I have contacted the owner listed on the STC by mail. The letter was returned with an updated address for the owner. I sent another letter to the updated address provided by the post office and the letter was returned with no additional information. I have talked to the FAA office that issued the STC. (LAX office) They said sorry can't help. Which brings up an other question what happens to STC's like this ?
>
> Back to the original question, does anyone have any suggestions on how to operate a 180 with a door off.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<<
> You have received this message as a member of: International 180/185 Club, Inc
> Change preferences (including opt-out): https://SkywagonsClub.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=13&club_id=669928
>
>
>
 
Thank you


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:27 AM, JON MOLEK (acub@neo.rr.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I may be able to help I think I have that on mine when I get home I'll check and get back to you
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 12:24 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
>
> At some point I may want to fly with a door off on my 55 180. Camera mission, occasional skydive for a friend, etc.
>
> I have tried to track down STC SA168SW that allows door off operations for parachute jumping. The address of the owner of the STC is not a good address, I have contacted the owner listed on the STC by mail. The letter was returned with an updated address for the owner. I sent another letter to the updated address provided by the post office and the letter was returned with no additional information. I have talked to the FAA office that issued the STC. (LAX office) They said sorry can't help. Which brings up an other question what happens to STC's like this ?
>
> Back to the original question, does anyone have any suggestions on how to operate a 180 with a door off.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<<
> You have received this message as a member of: International 180/185 Club, Inc
> Change preferences (including opt-out): https://SkywagonsClub.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=13&club_id=669928
>
>
>
 
I may be able to help I think I have that on mine when I get home I'll check and get back to you

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2017, at 12:24 PM, David Rigby (dave@coltnet.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

At some point I may want to fly with a door off on my 55 180. Camera mission, occasional skydive for a friend, etc.  

I have tried to track down STC SA168SW that allows door off operations for parachute jumping.  The address of the owner of the STC is not a good address, I have contacted the owner listed on the STC by mail. The letter was returned with an updated address for the owner.  I sent another letter to the updated address provided by the post office and the letter  was returned with no additional information.  I have talked to the FAA office that issued the STC.  (LAX office) They said sorry can't help. Which brings up an other question what happens to STC's like this ? 

Back to the original question, does anyone have any suggestions on how to operate a 180 with a door off. 

Thanks

Dave 
 
At some point I may want to fly with a door off on my 55 180. Camera mission, occasional skydive for a friend, etc.  

I have tried to track down STC SA168SW that allows door off operations for parachute jumping.  The address of the owner of the STC is not a good address, I have contacted the owner listed on the STC by mail. The letter was returned with an updated address for the owner.  I sent another letter to the updated address provided by the post office and the letter  was returned with no additional information.  I have talked to the FAA office that issued the STC.  (LAX office) They said sorry can't help. Which brings up an other question what happens to STC's like this ? 

Back to the original question, does anyone have any suggestions on how to operate a 180 with a door off. 

Thanks

Dave 
 
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