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Dream Panel?
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Correct on the coupling.  The Aspen provides GPSS.  2nd radio is a Garmin GTR-225 and the audio panel is the GMA-340.

 
A couple of questions.
 
Did you couple the Autopilot to the GPS via the Aspen?
 
Hard to see detail but it looks like you only have one radio, if so are you happy with that?
 
What are you using for the intercom ?
 
Thanks,
 
Kirby
 
I'll bet that will be a joy to fly.  Great job.

Jim Hill
N2393C
54'180
 

Just about finished.

 
My panel has served me well for the last 7 years.  I may remove the 6-pack on the right side, which is for the engine, since it is now incorporated in the glass display.

Jim Hill
N2393C
54'180
 

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Very nice, simplicity at its finest.
Jim
 

Very nice.  Mine just got opened up today for its transformation.

 

Mike

 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jean-Pierre Held (heldjp@gmail.com)" <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 15:22
To: "Avionics - Certificated" <AvionicsCertficated@skywagons.org>
Subject: re: Dream Panel? <<$126576735323$>>

Here is my new panel, just completed 3 weeks ago

 


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Here is my new panel, just completed 3 weeks ago

 

 

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Here is the current panel:



On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Michael Pearson (capnmike1@earthlink.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
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Oh and I'm dumping the vacuum system for the solid state RC Allen AI w/battery backup.

 
That's going to be a nice panel when you're finished. I'm looking forward to seeing pics of the finished product!

-CapnMike
'77 A185F on wheels and Found Bush Hawk XP on amphibs in the family hangar
"If my wings should fail me, Lord, please meet me with another pair" - Led Zeppelin

 

Quoted Text

Oh and I'm dumping the vacuum system for the solid state RC Allen AI w/battery backup.

 
That's going to be a nice panel when you're finished. I'm looking forward to seeing pics of the finished product!

-CapnMike
'77 A185F on wheels and Found Bush Hawk XP on amphibs in the family hangar
"If my wings should fail me, Lord, please meet me with another pair" - Led Zeppelin
 

Oh and I'm dumping the vacuum system for the solid state RC Allen AI w/battery backup.

 

I'm considering the Avidyne 540 w/340 Trxpndr vs. the Garmin 650.  Looks like a pretty good setup for about the same price and I get more screen real estate.  The 340 also gives me ADS-B Out.  Then keep 1 KX-155 as a backup nav/comm and keep my Area 510.

   

Oh, plus I'm pretty sold on the Aspen PFD.  Still considering the synthetic vision upgrade which looks super cool.  I really want to go with a single nav/comm an use the Aera and handheld radio as a backup but the wife isn't so keen on that.

 
Anyone with thoughts/experience on the Avidyne 540?
 

Wagon Driver,

 
check your PM's.
 
Skywagoncub
 
The 750 updates run $1,087 annual subscription to the standard package and flight charts for the Americas    

The Jepp package is more money. Not saying it isn't worth it, but my Foreflight pro with the same chart package is 149.00 per year.  

The 750 installation was not without a few birthing pains but all in all I am quite satisfied.  

Dale Carlson
907-433-9718

On Jan 15, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Wagon Driver (skywagona185f@gmail.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

How much are the updates?  Garmin or Jepp?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Dale Carlson (d.carlson@gci.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
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I went with the GTN750 rather than the GTN650, and the garmin CDI, I love it!  I left the KX155 with glideslope as nav/com2, eliminated my 496 and panel mount from the stack.  I run an I-pad mini with foreflight on a yoke mount.  talk about situational awareness!  The last item will be to replace my transponder with a new mode-s and add the gdl 88.  The GTN 750 is a dream to use and you will love it.  The only draw back is the cost of the database update.



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Analog Clock is popular for no current draw when airplane is idle when a digital clock is always drawing something. At least that is the popular theory for keeping the Analog clock. Sounds good at least!

 

From: mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com [mailto:mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:19 AM
To: Avionics - Certificated
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I want GPSS and so that requires modules and interfaces that are spendy.  I'd also need the Garmin CDI which is pricey.  I'm being told for not a lot more money just put in the Aspen which has all that plus HSI and an air data computer (TAS, etc.).

 

I'm debating the merits of a single radio vs. two for backup.  I really like the 750 as that would give me approach plates but no more than I would need them the 650 might be OK and I think the Aspen displays the approach (still need the plates but I could use my tablet for that).  I think I'd keep the Aera though as a backup Nav in case of power failure.  The avionics shop is really pushing ADSB Out as well.  I'm still leery about investing in that given its not mandatory until 2020 and who knows what will happen in the next 4 years.  As far as non vacuum goes, I think I'd need the upgraded Aspen unit to be able to pull the vacuum and add an expense electric AI

 

So, maybe I would end up like this (budget deal):

 

-Garmin 650

-Aera 510

-GMA 340

-GTX 327

-Aspen 1000

 

I wonder if the Aspen unit has the "heading bug" feature I currently use without the GPS interface should that die en route.

 

Good stuff.  Love that 180V is keeping the ADP and analog clock. 

 

 

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:35 AM, John Whittemore (phil@stearman.aero) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

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Wagon Driver,

 

I'm currently mod'ing my wagon for similar IFR goals. Here would be my suggestion (it's what I'm doing):

 

Sell the Garmin Aera 510, the KX-155a's, and the CDI. Replace them with a Garmin GTN650. This will get you WAAS Approach certified GPS, plus a Nav/Com. You can connect the GPS to one of the Nav heads and the Nav radio to the other Nav head. Your current Glideslope probably won't work with WAAS so you'll need one that will, but now you can move the current Glideslope to where the CDI was and be able to fly both GPS and Nav precision approaches. If you really want a second com just use a GTR 200 or a SL40. With this config you won't need an enunciator. Now you'll have room to AirGizmo mount your 'droid in the avionics stack.

 

You can couple the GTN GPS & NAV to the STEC and replace the 121.5 ELT (if you have one like I do) with an ACK E-04 406 that gets its GPS coordinates from the GTN.

Quoted Text

Thinking about a panel upgrade for my 79 185.  Mind you this probably won't resonate well with the traditional crowd as my goals might be a bit different.  First, let me list the current setup:

  • Garmin GMA-340 Audio Panel

  • Garmin GTX-327 Transponder

  • Garmin Aera 510 w/GDL-39

  • 2 x KX-155a

  • 1 Glideslope

  • 1 Standard CDI

  • STEC-50 AP

The overall goal is to add an IFR certified GPS with GPSS so I can file /Golf.  

 

My secondary goals are as follows:

  • Decrease weight if able

  • Decrease complexity on the backside of the panel

  • Maintain a reasonable budget

The dream part of this is I'd love to get rid of my vacuum system (please don't ask me why, I just want to do it) .  I know it can be done I just don't know if it can be done for a reasonable price keeping the other goals in mind.  I also don't know exactly what works with what in terms of being legal with respect to going vacuum-less.

 

I'm currently thinking of something along the lines of Garmin and Aspen, such as the GTN 650/750 with an Aspen unit or maybe G500 though that might be a budget buster with the panel work required, etc.

 

Also debating the merits of running a single Nav/Com vs. dual.  The IFR part of the mission is mainly for pop up clearances to get through layers in coastal areas and any summertime east coast clag.  This is not hard IFR stuff.  Not interested in minimum approaches, etc.

 

One avionics shop is pushing the Avidyne IFD540 really hard coupled to the Aspen units.  Something about having WiFi and Bluetooth onboard  I like the Garmin stuff overall and do use Android devices with Garmin Pilot currently.  My aircraft is a No Steve Jobs zone.

 

 

Any thoughts or comments are welcome.  Thanks.

 


 
How much are the updates?  Garmin or Jepp?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Dale Carlson (d.carlson@gci.net) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
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I went with the GTN750 rather than the GTN650, and the garmin CDI, I love it!  I left the KX155 with glideslope as nav/com2, eliminated my 496 and panel mount from the stack.  I run an I-pad mini with foreflight on a yoke mount.  talk about situational awareness!  The last item will be to replace my transponder with a new mode-s and add the gdl 88.  The GTN 750 is a dream to use and you will love it.  The only draw back is the cost of the database update.



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View/reply online       Reply to forum at AvionicsCertficated@skywagons.org       Reply directly to Matt Foster at matthew_r_foster@hotmail.com

Analog Clock is popular for no current draw when airplane is idle when a digital clock is always drawing something. At least that is the popular theory for keeping the Analog clock. Sounds good at least!

 

From: mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com [mailto:mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:19 AM
To: Avionics - Certificated
Subject: re: Dream Panel? <<$121272118363$>>

 

I want GPSS and so that requires modules and interfaces that are spendy.  I'd also need the Garmin CDI which is pricey.  I'm being told for not a lot more money just put in the Aspen which has all that plus HSI and an air data computer (TAS, etc.).

 

I'm debating the merits of a single radio vs. two for backup.  I really like the 750 as that would give me approach plates but no more than I would need them the 650 might be OK and I think the Aspen displays the approach (still need the plates but I could use my tablet for that).  I think I'd keep the Aera though as a backup Nav in case of power failure.  The avionics shop is really pushing ADSB Out as well.  I'm still leery about investing in that given its not mandatory until 2020 and who knows what will happen in the next 4 years.  As far as non vacuum goes, I think I'd need the upgraded Aspen unit to be able to pull the vacuum and add an expense electric AI

 

So, maybe I would end up like this (budget deal):

 

-Garmin 650

-Aera 510

-GMA 340

-GTX 327

-Aspen 1000

 

I wonder if the Aspen unit has the "heading bug" feature I currently use without the GPS interface should that die en route.

 

Good stuff.  Love that 180V is keeping the ADP and analog clock. 

 

 

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:35 AM, John Whittemore (phil@stearman.aero) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

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Wagon Driver,

 

I'm currently mod'ing my wagon for similar IFR goals. Here would be my suggestion (it's what I'm doing):

 

Sell the Garmin Aera 510, the KX-155a's, and the CDI. Replace them with a Garmin GTN650. This will get you WAAS Approach certified GPS, plus a Nav/Com. You can connect the GPS to one of the Nav heads and the Nav radio to the other Nav head. Your current Glideslope probably won't work with WAAS so you'll need one that will, but now you can move the current Glideslope to where the CDI was and be able to fly both GPS and Nav precision approaches. If you really want a second com just use a GTR 200 or a SL40. With this config you won't need an enunciator. Now you'll have room to AirGizmo mount your 'droid in the avionics stack.

 

You can couple the GTN GPS & NAV to the STEC and replace the 121.5 ELT (if you have one like I do) with an ACK E-04 406 that gets its GPS coordinates from the GTN.

Quoted Text

Thinking about a panel upgrade for my 79 185.  Mind you this probably won't resonate well with the traditional crowd as my goals might be a bit different.  First, let me list the current setup:

  • Garmin GMA-340 Audio Panel

  • Garmin GTX-327 Transponder

  • Garmin Aera 510 w/GDL-39

  • 2 x KX-155a

  • 1 Glideslope

  • 1 Standard CDI

  • STEC-50 AP

The overall goal is to add an IFR certified GPS with GPSS so I can file /Golf.  

 

My secondary goals are as follows:

  • Decrease weight if able

  • Decrease complexity on the backside of the panel

  • Maintain a reasonable budget

The dream part of this is I'd love to get rid of my vacuum system (please don't ask me why, I just want to do it) .  I know it can be done I just don't know if it can be done for a reasonable price keeping the other goals in mind.  I also don't know exactly what works with what in terms of being legal with respect to going vacuum-less.

 

I'm currently thinking of something along the lines of Garmin and Aspen, such as the GTN 650/750 with an Aspen unit or maybe G500 though that might be a budget buster with the panel work required, etc.

 

Also debating the merits of running a single Nav/Com vs. dual.  The IFR part of the mission is mainly for pop up clearances to get through layers in coastal areas and any summertime east coast clag.  This is not hard IFR stuff.  Not interested in minimum approaches, etc.

 

One avionics shop is pushing the Avidyne IFD540 really hard coupled to the Aspen units.  Something about having WiFi and Bluetooth onboard  I like the Garmin stuff overall and do use Android devices with Garmin Pilot currently.  My aircraft is a No Steve Jobs zone.

 

 

Any thoughts or comments are welcome.  Thanks.

 


 
I went with the GTN750 rather than the GTN650, and the garmin CDI, I love it!  I left the KX155 with glideslope as nav/com2, eliminated my 496 and panel mount from the stack.  I run an I-pad mini with foreflight on a yoke mount.  talk about situational awareness!  The last item will be to replace my transponder with a new mode-s and add the gdl 88.  The GTN 750 is a dream to use and you will love it.  The only draw back is the cost of the database update.



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Sent:
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re: Dream Panel? <<$121274868414$>>


View/reply online       Reply to forum at AvionicsCertficated@skywagons.org       Reply directly to Matt Foster at matthew_r_foster@hotmail.com

Analog Clock is popular for no current draw when airplane is idle when a digital clock is always drawing something. At least that is the popular theory for keeping the Analog clock. Sounds good at least!

 

From: mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com [mailto:mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:19 AM
To: Avionics - Certificated
Subject: re: Dream Panel? <<$121272118363$>>

 

I want GPSS and so that requires modules and interfaces that are spendy.  I'd also need the Garmin CDI which is pricey.  I'm being told for not a lot more money just put in the Aspen which has all that plus HSI and an air data computer (TAS, etc.).

 

I'm debating the merits of a single radio vs. two for backup.  I really like the 750 as that would give me approach plates but no more than I would need them the 650 might be OK and I think the Aspen displays the approach (still need the plates but I could use my tablet for that).  I think I'd keep the Aera though as a backup Nav in case of power failure.  The avionics shop is really pushing ADSB Out as well.  I'm still leery about investing in that given its not mandatory until 2020 and who knows what will happen in the next 4 years.  As far as non vacuum goes, I think I'd need the upgraded Aspen unit to be able to pull the vacuum and add an expense electric AI

 

So, maybe I would end up like this (budget deal):

 

-Garmin 650

-Aera 510

-GMA 340

-GTX 327

-Aspen 1000

 

I wonder if the Aspen unit has the "heading bug" feature I currently use without the GPS interface should that die en route.

 

Good stuff.  Love that 180V is keeping the ADP and analog clock. 

 

 

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:35 AM, John Whittemore (phil@stearman.aero) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

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Wagon Driver,

 

I'm currently mod'ing my wagon for similar IFR goals. Here would be my suggestion (it's what I'm doing):

 

Sell the Garmin Aera 510, the KX-155a's, and the CDI. Replace them with a Garmin GTN650. This will get you WAAS Approach certified GPS, plus a Nav/Com. You can connect the GPS to one of the Nav heads and the Nav radio to the other Nav head. Your current Glideslope probably won't work with WAAS so you'll need one that will, but now you can move the current Glideslope to where the CDI was and be able to fly both GPS and Nav precision approaches. If you really want a second com just use a GTR 200 or a SL40. With this config you won't need an enunciator. Now you'll have room to AirGizmo mount your 'droid in the avionics stack.

 

You can couple the GTN GPS & NAV to the STEC and replace the 121.5 ELT (if you have one like I do) with an ACK E-04 406 that gets its GPS coordinates from the GTN.

Quoted Text

Thinking about a panel upgrade for my 79 185.  Mind you this probably won't resonate well with the traditional crowd as my goals might be a bit different.  First, let me list the current setup:

  • Garmin GMA-340 Audio Panel

  • Garmin GTX-327 Transponder

  • Garmin Aera 510 w/GDL-39

  • 2 x KX-155a

  • 1 Glideslope

  • 1 Standard CDI

  • STEC-50 AP

The overall goal is to add an IFR certified GPS with GPSS so I can file /Golf.  

 

My secondary goals are as follows:

  • Decrease weight if able

  • Decrease complexity on the backside of the panel

  • Maintain a reasonable budget

The dream part of this is I'd love to get rid of my vacuum system (please don't ask me why, I just want to do it) .  I know it can be done I just don't know if it can be done for a reasonable price keeping the other goals in mind.  I also don't know exactly what works with what in terms of being legal with respect to going vacuum-less.

 

I'm currently thinking of something along the lines of Garmin and Aspen, such as the GTN 650/750 with an Aspen unit or maybe G500 though that might be a budget buster with the panel work required, etc.

 

Also debating the merits of running a single Nav/Com vs. dual.  The IFR part of the mission is mainly for pop up clearances to get through layers in coastal areas and any summertime east coast clag.  This is not hard IFR stuff.  Not interested in minimum approaches, etc.

 

One avionics shop is pushing the Avidyne IFD540 really hard coupled to the Aspen units.  Something about having WiFi and Bluetooth onboard  I like the Garmin stuff overall and do use Android devices with Garmin Pilot currently.  My aircraft is a No Steve Jobs zone.

 

 

Any thoughts or comments are welcome.  Thanks.

 

 
I meant keeping the ADF, not ADP.  That 180 doesn't likely need any payroll services.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Matt Foster (matthew_r_foster@hotmail.com) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
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Analog Clock is popular for no current draw when airplane is idle when a digital clock is always drawing something. At least that is the popular theory for keeping the Analog clock. Sounds good at least!

 

From: mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com [mailto:mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:19 AM
To: Avionics - Certificated
Subject: re: Dream Panel? <<$121272118363$>>

 

I want GPSS and so that requires modules and interfaces that are spendy.  I'd also need the Garmin CDI which is pricey.  I'm being told for not a lot more money just put in the Aspen which has all that plus HSI and an air data computer (TAS, etc.).

 

I'm debating the merits of a single radio vs. two for backup.  I really like the 750 as that would give me approach plates but no more than I would need them the 650 might be OK and I think the Aspen displays the approach (still need the plates but I could use my tablet for that).  I think I'd keep the Aera though as a backup Nav in case of power failure.  The avionics shop is really pushing ADSB Out as well.  I'm still leery about investing in that given its not mandatory until 2020 and who knows what will happen in the next 4 years.  As far as non vacuum goes, I think I'd need the upgraded Aspen unit to be able to pull the vacuum and add an expense electric AI.

 

So, maybe I would end up like this (budget deal):

 

-Garmin 650

-Aera 510

-GMA 340

-GTX 327

-Aspen 1000

 

I wonder if the Aspen unit has the "heading bug" feature I currently use without the GPS interface should that die en route.

 

Good stuff.  Love that 180V is keeping the ADP and analog clock. 

 

 

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:35 AM, John Whittemore (phil@stearman.aero) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

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Wagon Driver,

 

I'm currently mod'ing my wagon for similar IFR goals. Here would be my suggestion (it's what I'm doing):

 

Sell the Garmin Aera 510, the KX-155a's, and the CDI. Replace them with a Garmin GTN650. This will get you WAAS Approach certified GPS, plus a Nav/Com. You can connect the GPS to one of the Nav heads and the Nav radio to the other Nav head. Your current Glideslope probably won't work with WAAS so you'll need one that will, but now you can move the current Glideslope to where the CDI was and be able to fly both GPS and Nav precision approaches. If you really want a second com just use a GTR 200 or a SL40. With this config you won't need an enunciator. Now you'll have room to AirGizmo mount your 'droid in the avionics stack.

 

You can couple the GTN GPS & NAV to the STEC and replace the 121.5 ELT (if you have one like I do) with an ACK E-04 406 that gets its GPS coordinates from the GTN.

Quoted Text

Thinking about a panel upgrade for my 79 185.  Mind you this probably won't resonate well with the traditional crowd as my goals might be a bit different.  First, let me list the current setup:

  • Garmin GMA-340 Audio Panel
  • Garmin GTX-327 Transponder
  • Garmin Aera 510 w/GDL-39
  • 2 x KX-155a
  • 1 Glideslope
  • 1 Standard CDI
  • STEC-50 AP

The overall goal is to add an IFR certified GPS with GPSS so I can file /Golf.  

 

My secondary goals are as follows:

  • Decrease weight if able
  • Decrease complexity on the backside of the panel
  • Maintain a reasonable budget

The dream part of this is I'd love to get rid of my vacuum system (please don't ask me why, I just want to do it) .  I know it can be done I just don't know if it can be done for a reasonable price keeping the other goals in mind.  I also don't know exactly what works with what in terms of being legal with respect to going vacuum-less.

 

I'm currently thinking of something along the lines of Garmin and Aspen, such as the GTN 650/750 with an Aspen unit or maybe G500 though that might be a budget buster with the panel work required, etc.

 

Also debating the merits of running a single Nav/Com vs. dual.  The IFR part of the mission is mainly for pop up clearances to get through layers in coastal areas and any summertime east coast clag.  This is not hard IFR stuff.  Not interested in minimum approaches, etc.

 

One avionics shop is pushing the Avidyne IFD540 really hard coupled to the Aspen units.  Something about having WiFi and Bluetooth onboard  I like the Garmin stuff overall and do use Android devices with Garmin Pilot currently.  My aircraft is a No Steve Jobs zone.

 

 

Any thoughts or comments are welcome.  Thanks.

 


 

Analog Clock is popular for no current draw when airplane is idle when a digital clock is always drawing something. At least that is the popular theory for keeping the Analog clock. Sounds good at least!

 

From: mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com [mailto:mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:19 AM
To: Avionics - Certificated
Subject: re: Dream Panel? <<$121272118363$>>

 

I want GPSS and so that requires modules and interfaces that are spendy.  I'd also need the Garmin CDI which is pricey.  I'm being told for not a lot more money just put in the Aspen which has all that plus HSI and an air data computer (TAS, etc.).

 

I'm debating the merits of a single radio vs. two for backup.  I really like the 750 as that would give me approach plates but no more than I would need them the 650 might be OK and I think the Aspen displays the approach (still need the plates but I could use my tablet for that).  I think I'd keep the Aera though as a backup Nav in case of power failure.  The avionics shop is really pushing ADSB Out as well.  I'm still leery about investing in that given its not mandatory until 2020 and who knows what will happen in the next 4 years.  As far as non vacuum goes, I think I'd need the upgraded Aspen unit to be able to pull the vacuum and add an expense electric AI.

 

So, maybe I would end up like this (budget deal):

 

-Garmin 650

-Aera 510

-GMA 340

-GTX 327

-Aspen 1000

 

I wonder if the Aspen unit has the "heading bug" feature I currently use without the GPS interface should that die en route.

 

Good stuff.  Love that 180V is keeping the ADP and analog clock. 

 

 

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:35 AM, John Whittemore (phil@stearman.aero) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:

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Wagon Driver,

 

I'm currently mod'ing my wagon for similar IFR goals. Here would be my suggestion (it's what I'm doing):

 

Sell the Garmin Aera 510, the KX-155a's, and the CDI. Replace them with a Garmin GTN650. This will get you WAAS Approach certified GPS, plus a Nav/Com. You can connect the GPS to one of the Nav heads and the Nav radio to the other Nav head. Your current Glideslope probably won't work with WAAS so you'll need one that will, but now you can move the current Glideslope to where the CDI was and be able to fly both GPS and Nav precision approaches. If you really want a second com just use a GTR 200 or a SL40. With this config you won't need an enunciator. Now you'll have room to AirGizmo mount your 'droid in the avionics stack.

 

You can couple the GTN GPS & NAV to the STEC and replace the 121.5 ELT (if you have one like I do) with an ACK E-04 406 that gets its GPS coordinates from the GTN.

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Thinking about a panel upgrade for my 79 185.  Mind you this probably won't resonate well with the traditional crowd as my goals might be a bit different.  First, let me list the current setup:

  • Garmin GMA-340 Audio Panel
  • Garmin GTX-327 Transponder
  • Garmin Aera 510 w/GDL-39
  • 2 x KX-155a
  • 1 Glideslope
  • 1 Standard CDI
  • STEC-50 AP

The overall goal is to add an IFR certified GPS with GPSS so I can file /Golf.  

 

My secondary goals are as follows:

  • Decrease weight if able
  • Decrease complexity on the backside of the panel
  • Maintain a reasonable budget

The dream part of this is I'd love to get rid of my vacuum system (please don't ask me why, I just want to do it) .  I know it can be done I just don't know if it can be done for a reasonable price keeping the other goals in mind.  I also don't know exactly what works with what in terms of being legal with respect to going vacuum-less.

 

I'm currently thinking of something along the lines of Garmin and Aspen, such as the GTN 650/750 with an Aspen unit or maybe G500 though that might be a budget buster with the panel work required, etc.

 

Also debating the merits of running a single Nav/Com vs. dual.  The IFR part of the mission is mainly for pop up clearances to get through layers in coastal areas and any summertime east coast clag.  This is not hard IFR stuff.  Not interested in minimum approaches, etc.

 

One avionics shop is pushing the Avidyne IFD540 really hard coupled to the Aspen units.  Something about having WiFi and Bluetooth onboard  I like the Garmin stuff overall and do use Android devices with Garmin Pilot currently.  My aircraft is a No Steve Jobs zone.

 

 

Any thoughts or comments are welcome.  Thanks.

 

 
I want GPSS and so that requires modules and interfaces that are spendy.  I'd also need the Garmin CDI which is pricey.  I'm being told for not a lot more money just put in the Aspen which has all that plus HSI and an air data computer (TAS, etc.).

I'm debating the merits of a single radio vs. two for backup.  I really like the 750 as that would give me approach plates but no more than I would need them the 650 might be OK and I think the Aspen displays the approach (still need the plates but I could use my tablet for that).  I think I'd keep the Aera though as a backup Nav in case of power failure.  The avionics shop is really pushing ADSB Out as well.  I'm still leery about investing in that given its not mandatory until 2020 and who knows what will happen in the next 4 years.  As far as non vacuum goes, I think I'd need the upgraded Aspen unit to be able to pull the vacuum and add an expense electric AI.

So, maybe I would end up like this (budget deal):

-Garmin 650
-Aera 510
-GMA 340
-GTX 327
-Aspen 1000

I wonder if the Aspen unit has the "heading bug" feature I currently use without the GPS interface should that die en route.

Good stuff.  Love that 180V is keeping the ADP and analog clock. 


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:35 AM, John Whittemore (phil@stearman.aero) <mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com> wrote:
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Wagon Driver,

 
I'm currently mod'ing my wagon for similar IFR goals. Here would be my suggestion (it's what I'm doing):
 
Sell the Garmin Aera 510, the KX-155a's, and the CDI. Replace them with a Garmin GTN650. This will get you WAAS Approach certified GPS, plus a Nav/Com. You can connect the GPS to one of the Nav heads and the Nav radio to the other Nav head. Your current Glideslope probably won't work with WAAS so you'll need one that will, but now you can move the current Glideslope to where the CDI was and be able to fly both GPS and Nav precision approaches. If you really want a second com just use a GTR 200 or a SL40. With this config you won't need an enunciator. Now you'll have room to AirGizmo mount your 'droid in the avionics stack.
 
You can couple the GTN GPS & NAV to the STEC and replace the 121.5 ELT (if you have one like I do) with an ACK E-04 406 that gets its GPS coordinates from the GTN.
Quoted Text

Thinking about a panel upgrade for my 79 185.  Mind you this probably won't resonate well with the traditional crowd as my goals might be a bit different.  First, let me list the current setup:

  • Garmin GMA-340 Audio Panel
  • Garmin GTX-327 Transponder
  • Garmin Aera 510 w/GDL-39
  • 2 x KX-155a
  • 1 Glideslope
  • 1 Standard CDI
  • STEC-50 AP

The overall goal is to add an IFR certified GPS with GPSS so I can file /Golf.  

 

My secondary goals are as follows:

  • Decrease weight if able
  • Decrease complexity on the backside of the panel
  • Maintain a reasonable budget
The dream part of this is I'd love to get rid of my vacuum system (please don't ask me why, I just want to do it) .  I know it can be done I just don't know if it can be done for a reasonable price keeping the other goals in mind.  I also don't know exactly what works with what in terms of being legal with respect to going vacuum-less.
 
I'm currently thinking of something along the lines of Garmin and Aspen, such as the GTN 650/750 with an Aspen unit or maybe G500 though that might be a budget buster with the panel work required, etc.
 
Also debating the merits of running a single Nav/Com vs. dual.  The IFR part of the mission is mainly for pop up clearances to get through layers in coastal areas and any summertime east coast clag.  This is not hard IFR stuff.  Not interested in minimum approaches, etc.
 
One avionics shop is pushing the Avidyne IFD540 really hard coupled to the Aspen units.  Something about having WiFi and Bluetooth onboard  I like the Garmin stuff overall and do use Android devices with Garmin Pilot currently.  My aircraft is a No Steve Jobs zone.
 
 
Any thoughts or comments are welcome.  Thanks.

 

Wagon Driver,

 
I'm currently mod'ing my wagon for similar IFR goals. Here would be my suggestion (it's what I'm doing):
 
Sell the Garmin Aera 510, the KX-155a's, and the CDI. Replace them with a Garmin GTN650. This will get you WAAS Approach certified GPS, plus a Nav/Com. You can connect the GPS to one of the Nav heads and the Nav radio to the other Nav head. Your current Glideslope probably won't work with WAAS so you'll need one that will, but now you can move the current Glideslope to where the CDI was and be able to fly both GPS and Nav precision approaches. If you really want a second com just use a GTR 200 or a SL40. With this config you won't need an enunciator. Now you'll have room to AirGizmo mount your 'droid in the avionics stack.
 
You can couple the GTN GPS & NAV to the STEC and replace the 121.5 ELT (if you have one like I do) with an ACK E-04 406 that gets its GPS coordinates from the GTN.
Quoted Text

Thinking about a panel upgrade for my 79 185.  Mind you this probably won't resonate well with the traditional crowd as my goals might be a bit different.  First, let me list the current setup:

  • Garmin GMA-340 Audio Panel
  • Garmin GTX-327 Transponder
  • Garmin Aera 510 w/GDL-39
  • 2 x KX-155a
  • 1 Glideslope
  • 1 Standard CDI
  • STEC-50 AP

The overall goal is to add an IFR certified GPS with GPSS so I can file /Golf.  

 

My secondary goals are as follows:

  • Decrease weight if able
  • Decrease complexity on the backside of the panel
  • Maintain a reasonable budget
The dream part of this is I'd love to get rid of my vacuum system (please don't ask me why, I just want to do it) .  I know it can be done I just don't know if it can be done for a reasonable price keeping the other goals in mind.  I also don't know exactly what works with what in terms of being legal with respect to going vacuum-less.
 
I'm currently thinking of something along the lines of Garmin and Aspen, such as the GTN 650/750 with an Aspen unit or maybe G500 though that might be a budget buster with the panel work required, etc.
 
Also debating the merits of running a single Nav/Com vs. dual.  The IFR part of the mission is mainly for pop up clearances to get through layers in coastal areas and any summertime east coast clag.  This is not hard IFR stuff.  Not interested in minimum approaches, etc.
 
One avionics shop is pushing the Avidyne IFD540 really hard coupled to the Aspen units.  Something about having WiFi and Bluetooth onboard  I like the Garmin stuff overall and do use Android devices with Garmin Pilot currently.  My aircraft is a No Steve Jobs zone.
 
 
Any thoughts or comments are welcome.  Thanks.
 
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